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David Brain

Simon. Agree with some of this but I take a much bleaker view than you. The first point is that you should not expect the PRCA or the IPR to lead on anything. They never have as far as I can remember and to be fair to them it is probably not their job (though I do feel as you know they should do more on social media and at worst get out of the way). Leadership from this comes from the companies that invest in training for their staff on it; from clients who increasingly understand they have to partner agencies who di get it and from employees who increasingly go to the places they think they will be trained and encouraged in this stuff. Will the 'industry' as a whole ever be 'up to speed'? I doubt it, but it has come quite a way in a short time.

David Brain

I meant LESS bleak view. Sorry

Simon Collister

Yes. Agree with your point re. trade bodies - "get out of the way" makes sense, or perhaps "get in the way constructively"; that's what womma has done in the US and hopefully WOM UK will do overhere.

David Phillips

Simon, there was an attempt way back in 1999, when Anne Gregory and Mark Adams among a number of luminaries worked on the joint CIPR/PRCA Internet Commission. The findings still hold good today and were published as a document called 'The Death of Spin'.

I was the group leader.

Now, what I see is demand for tactical involment and tools used ad lib.

Social Media is regarded as a channel by many in PR.

We have to get beyond that and the PR institutions are, well, institutions - a pole apart from the online conversation.

TJ Walker tjwalker.com

People can attack "spin" all they want, but there will always be a role for people who can put the best, most positive perspective on an issue. The ability to focus an intellectual and emotional rationale for a position is not going away. TJ Walker

Wendy McAuliffe

Simon, thanks for continuing the conversation here, as I feel it's a good 'un.

I totally agree with the points you make about UK PR lagging behind in social media, but my question back would be is this enough to protect 'spin' as we know it for the foreseeable future? The more traditional PRs among us will undoubtedly continue to try to exert their power of persuasion and rhetoric over the general public (within politics in particular), but for how much longer will this be convincing and viable?

I agree with TJ Walker that there will always be a role for 'creative' communications within social media, but this is not the same as 'spin' where often the motive is deception. To clarify my line of argument therefore, I feel
truth will undoubtedly win out over spin/deception/clever rhetoric in the future.

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